HotSauce wrote:Now, what happens when the player picks up a disc after a turnover and SLOWLY walks it to the front of the end zone? Or in the worst case scenario, after a wholesale line change, the handler stands over the disc, takes his time picking it up, and then slowly walks it to the front of the end zone? When can the defensive player announce "delay of game" and count the 2 seconds and then initiate the stall count?
I refer back to 7c (and remind you that this rule is intended solely to modify XIII.A.5 of the 11th edition rules for indoor play without changing the spirit of that rule), which reads "If an offensive player unnecessarily delays putting the disc into play (i.e. is within 3 metres of the disc and is taking their time to pick it up, standing over the disc, etc.)" The entire "i.e." phrase is not in 11th edition, but is a TUC addition to clarify the meaning. Most importantly, note that there is an "etc" at the end: it is NOT only if the player is standing over the disc that this rule can apply. It is ANY time that there is an unnecessary delay, which could certainly include walking the disc up slowly.
HotSauce wrote:...and at what point does spirit of the game come into play?
As soon as you arrive at the field!
Craig wrote:XIX Etiquette.
B. It is the responsibility of all players to avoid any delay when starting, restarting, or continuing play. This includes standing over the disc or taking more time than reasonably necessary to put the disc into play.
Suggests to me that unnecessarily taking extra time to get to the disc or standing over it, is poor Ultimate etiquette and thus poor spirit, not an acceptable good strategy.
I agree with Craig's statement, now that I've added "unnecessarily" into it. It could be argued, for example, that forcing someone to immediately pick up the disc when all other players on the field are subbing off was never part of the original intent of this rule (clearly, since the original rule was written before there was speedpoint), and so a certain amount of delay could be considered necessary. I like to think that I'm a pretty spirited player (at least most of the time...), but I regularly counsel my indoor teams to take a look before picking the disc up, and, if everybody else is subbing, off to walk away or at least wait a couple of seconds before picking it up. If people are taking their sweet time about subbing off or about starting their cuts after they have done so, or if this is happening on Every. Single. Turnover. then by all means call delay of game and get things moving, but otherwise I think that a little bit of leeway should be encouraged.