View topic - Intentionally mack on defense.

Intentionally mack on defense.

Clarify Ultimate Rules and post other useful Ultimate related stuff!

Intentionally mack on defense.

Postby dlindqui » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:43 pm

Hey - had a scenario at a tournament a while back, and thought I'd run it by you guys.

We were on defense, and the offense attempted a dump pass - my teammate read it perfectly, and got to the disc first. Instead of catching the disc or knocking it down, he deliberately macked it 15-20 yards upfield (where it landed untouched by anyone). Several players on the other team thought this was illegal, but could not explain WHY they thought so. Aside from potentially keeping the disc in the air long enough for one of the offense to recover it, is there anything actually wrong with this?

Also: If that is fine, what if he or a teammate were to then catch if after the mack? I'm assuming that is not allowed...

Daniel
dlindqui
 
Posts: 118
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 9:11 am

Re: Intentionally mack on defense.

Postby tugbo » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:27 pm

Relevant rules

XVI.J.c
Purposeful bobbling (including tipping, delaying, guiding, brushing, or the like) to oneself in order to advance the disc in any direction from where it initially was contacted (XV.A)

XV.A (Receiver)

A player may bobble the disc in order to gain control of it, but purposeful bobbling (including tipping,delaying, guiding, brushing or the like) to oneself in order to advance the disc in any direction from where
it initially was contacted is considered traveling.


Note that purposeful bobbling to oneself is the action that is a violation. Purposeful bobbling to the open field or another player is not a violation.

So macking the disc upfield is okay. Macking the disc to a teamate is fine. Note these rules apply to "players" not just the offence.
tugbo
 
Posts: 32
Joined: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:55 pm

Postby nyxll » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:15 pm

They were probably confusing it with:

XVI Violations and Fouls

E. Any player may stop a rolling or sliding disc, but advancing it in any direction is a violation.

Macking carries a risk that the other team will recover it, which is why everyone yells at your to catch your D's.
nyxll
 
Posts: 63
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:35 pm

Postby @UltiCraig » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:19 pm

What we refer to as "macking" the disc is considered, "brushing" in the rules.
Brushing is a freestyle technique to keep the disc spinning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydGcJOlVb8Y

In Ultimate a "macked" disc is usually just a D attempt and not a purposeful "brush" to advance the disc to oneself.

In your case Daniel, I would say the disc was live and anyone including the defender who macked (brushed) it could legally play it.
Play catch. Invent games. Flat flip flies straight. Tilted flip curves.
@UltiCraig
 
Posts: 330
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:51 pm


Return to Ultimate Rules and Tools

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest