Sidelines.

[nyxll]

We were playing a well matched team last night. I am 2/3 of the way down the field and have the disc on the homeside line.

I had a throw down field after the initial catch, but I could not make the throw because the sidelines were so tight that both our benches were basically standing on the line. I asked for sidelines, but it was stall 6 before the room was made. (and the window was closed)

I was thinking about it later, could have I called "violation" to stop the play, to get the sidelines clear? I would have been at stall 2 instead of stall 6.

I was not comfortable making the throw because even though the people were the other team they were my friends, and more importantly it goes against all my instincts to throw into a crowd.

What would be the best way to handle this? I didn't have a dump to throw to at the time and I missed a tough leading pass.

[lwswong]

HAMMER. the end.

[nyxll]

HAMMER. the end.

Are you taking handling advice from 50-50 again?

[Edk001]

Found this in the "Game" tab above, under "Rules", 11th Edition Rules, Playing Field Section:

If play is obstructed by competitors, coaches, spectators or objects within five meters of the playing field, any obstructed player or thrower in possession may call this violation. Play resumes at the stall count reached plus one, or 9 if over 8.

[Edk001]

In other words, I would have called the violation, and not resume play until the sideline made room for you to play, regardless of whether the players on the sideline were your friends or not.

[Mottzky]

Interesting. Now that I've learned that, let's go back to making fun of Baron. Good post, Rick...er, nyxll.

[Kaplan]

I'd love to see the facial expressions on the sidelines when you called that!

You can also call violation for 'sideline interference' if your throw is obstructed by someone who is not one of your active opponents, but is standing 'in-bounds' on the field.

Or you could take a page from 50/50's book and throw it away...come to think of it that could also be a page from my handling memoir...

[GwaiLo]

Found this in the "Game" tab above, under "Rules", 11th Edition Rules, Playing Field Section:

If play is obstructed by competitors, coaches, spectators or objects within five meters of the playing field, any obstructed player or thrower in possession may call this violation. Play resumes at the stall count reached plus one, or 9 if over 8.

Ummmm...is it just me, or from reading the above, is it not DISadvantageous for the thrower to call it? Something doesn't sound right there.

[theprdg]

So you're saying it is advantageous to make the violation call, which is good, no? In other words, the stall resumes from the last stall called (i.e. disc in at "stalling 4", if violation was called after "stall 3").

[GregS]

is it not DISadvantageous for the thrower to call it?

Yes, it is not disadvantageous to call it.

[GwaiLo]

is it not DISadvantageous for the thrower to call it?

Yes, it is not disadvantageous to call it.

sorry, what I was meaning was:
isn't it disadvantageous to call? You're coming back in at the stall count + 1. Why should you lose an extra stall count because the other team is crowding the sideline?

[smash-crunch]

isn't it disadvantageous to call? You're coming back in at the stall count + 1. Why should you lose an extra stall count because the other team is crowding the sideline?

If it came in at stall count minus 1 then why should you gain an extra stall count because your own team is crowding the sideline?

It should come in at the stallcount the violation was called at, in my opinion.

[jacklilwall]

is it not DISadvantageous for the thrower to call it?

Yes, it is not disadvantageous to call it.

sorry, what I was meaning was:
isn't it disadvantageous to call? You're coming back in at the stall count + 1. Why should you lose an extra stall count because the other team is crowding the sideline?

It's the difference between being able to throw open side or not. So I would say it is advantageous to have. The stall count technically isn't +1, its just where you left off. Remember the stall is the silence or "stall" between the number count, so you can justify it easier that way.

[atanarjuat]

"Count reached plus 1, or 9 if over 8" is one of the common resolutions to the count after a stoppage.

This resolution happens to be identical to the resolution for an offensive technical time-out [VI.D], which makes a good deal of sense, since the sideline-specific rule is really just a special case of the above.

As with many rules in the book, it is founded on an assumption that the cause of the obstruction is just accidental in nature, and that it will be called early in the count -- when the thrower presumably looks upfield and immediately notices the inconvenience/safety issue.

[GregS]

is it not DISadvantageous for the thrower to call it?

Yes, it is not disadvantageous to call it.

sorry, what I was meaning was:
isn't it disadvantageous to call? You're coming back in at the stall count + 1. Why should you lose an extra stall count because the other team is crowding the sideline?

I knew what you meant, but you were wrong, so I intentionally misinterpreted. There's this guy on Facebook that does it all the time to good effect, so I thought it would be funny to do here.

The reason you're wrong is because everything is always +1, which simply means that you resume counting from where you left off. If the last stall count was 5, then the next number to say is 6, which is 5 + 1. Sorta like how if you call disc space or contact at stall 5 and they drop the count by 2, the next number they say is 4, not 3.

[GwaiLo]

is it not DISadvantageous for the thrower to call it?

Yes, it is not disadvantageous to call it.

sorry, what I was meaning was:
isn't it disadvantageous to call? You're coming back in at the stall count + 1. Why should you lose an extra stall count because the other team is crowding the sideline?

I knew what you meant, but you were wrong, so I intentionally misinterpreted. There's this guy on Facebook that does it all the time to good effect, so I thought it would be funny to do here.

The reason you're wrong is because everything is always +1, which simply means that you resume counting from where you left off. If the last stall count was 5, then the next number to say is 6, which is 5 + 1. Sorta like how if you call disc space or contact at stall 5 and they drop the count by 2, the next number they say is 4, not 3.

+1

[Edk001]

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